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In Response to the Silly Argument if You Had Any Spiritual Discernment You Wouldn’t Listen to Mark Driscoll Sermons or Read His Books November 7, 2009

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This was originally posted on “True Faith Defender” related to a Anti-Mark Driscoll Comment Troll.  It was off topic for that blog since Mark Driscoll has no connection to Robert Morey other than a subscription to Robert Morey’s Faith Defender Twitter feed.  It is posted here as it was removed from “True Faith Defender”.   I pray daily that Mark Driscoll will repent and remove himself from Robert Morey’s Faith Defender Twitter feed.  Robert Morey hasn’t tweeted anything since June 2009 to date so maybe God has answered my prayer?

I really am having a hard time understanding why Mark Driscoll is so much hated by some so-called Christians!!!!

I can understand why Robert Morey is so much hated by some.

The evidence against Mark Driscoll too much of the time is poor and presented by someone who lacks any love or grace. There are persons who desire to push Mark Driscoll into a incoming BART Train so they can enjoy seeing him killed. It is like Mark Driscoll is the son of Satan and beyond any hope of redemption so he has to be totally destroyed and those that like Mark Driscoll have to be hunted down and exposed as false Christians. It is like Mark Driscoll is a cancer in the Body of Christ and he has to be removed at all costs as the ends justifies the means. It is like there are persons who expect to enjoy Heaven for eternity while watching Mark Driscoll and his fans burning for eternity in Hell.

This radical hate of an individual who doesn’t appear to deserve this treatment has to stop. Such hate of a person makes Christianity appear to be the religion of hate making Islam look like it really may be an religion of peace after all.

I have come up with a few ideas as to why Mark Driscoll may be hated by some; and it appears to me that a lot of persons need to get a life and stop making it their life goal to destroy Mark Driscoll’s ministry. God appears to like Mark Driscoll and there are warnings in the Bible about attacking persons who are part of the body of Christ. I am not convinced like some persons are that Mark Driscoll is the son of Satan and beyond God’s grace.

What is amazing is those that desire to destroy Mark Driscoll’s ministry typically find it strange that anyone would want to expose the many extremely well documented flaws of Robert Morey since it is politically incorrect to say that Robert Morey is guilty of any sins. I am amazed by double standards that it is OK for Robert Morey to steal money from Larry Wessels and then slander Larry Wessels to cover up the truth; but somehow it is not OK for Mark Driscoll to be a pastor of any church for reasons that appear to be ??? Sorry the case against Mark Driscoll has always appeared to me to be personal opinion with no good Biblical support. The Bible can be used to prove beyond question that Robert Morey should not be allowed to be an elder of any Christian church but I have yet to see any strong evidence that Mark Driscoll shouldn’t be an elder of a Christian church.

The typical thing tossed into my face is if I had any spiritual discernment you would know that Mark Driscoll is anti-Christ, too immature, or something else to be a teaching elder of any real Christian church!!!! Too often my spiritual discernment is that the person attacking Mark Driscoll may not be a Christian; therefore I shouldn’t listen to gossip this person has to say about Mark Driscoll.

I am tired of the argument if you had any discernment because if I really had no discernment then logically that means I am not born again of God therefore I should be treated as a person outside of the Body of Christ. However, the person acts as if I am born again of God therefore I should know by spiritual discernment that Mark Driscoll is a heretic or unfit for teaching eldership by immaturity or some other reason. It is the person attacking both Mark Driscoll and myself that has a problem in logic as the person is basically using the it should be self evident argument that Mark Driscoll is so guilty that I should know he is a heretic or too immature to be a teaching elder with no evidence having to be presented.

In the USA a person is not guilty unless proven guilty and the Bible appears to support the concept that a person should be considered a Christian unless his fruit proves the person not to be a Christian. In the case of Mark Driscoll I admit that he is flawed, he appears to be growing spiritually, he has repented of past sins which is more than Robert Morey has ever done, and he doesn’t preach Christ-less Christianity. The Bible doesn’t make it a requirement for a elder to walk on water and I am not aware of any evidence that Mark Driscoll is so flawed that he cannot be an elder in a Christian church.

Naturally I expect the anti-Mark Driscoll gang to condemn me to eternal Hell fire for this posting but what else is new??? I am sick of persons whose life mission is to destroy Mark Driscoll’s ministry in the Name of GOD!!!! As if there is any evidence that GOD has given them the authority to destroy Mark Driscoll’s ministry by gossip and silly arguments like if you had any spiritual discernment you would know that Mark Driscoll shouldn’t be a pastor of any Christian church.

Why This Blog was Created & Why No Comments to Postings Are Allowed November 6, 2009

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Mark Driscoll @ Crystal Cathedral

Originally posted on “Truth Faith Defender” in response to an Anti-Mark Driscoll Comment Troll.

As for Driscoll.

The crux of it is his incorrect conetxualising.

Suss that out. Dig deep into that.

And you will find that Mark has no qualms in meeting the carnal at thier carnality.

It is like a 15 yr old boy telling his parents how they should raise him. Plain and simply it is flat out wrong.

Per my research, it is per gossip that Mark Driscoll meets the carnal in their carnality. Why is it that those that love to attack other Christians by comments on my blog tend to not spell very well? [He claimed in a comment response that he was keyboard challenged but still he could proof-read and correct typing errors before posting.] Mark Driscoll is no 15 year old boy as he is a mature Christian man. The way you spell [or type and post without proofreading]; I ponder if you are a 13 year old claiming to be a man.

As far as the contextualization issue, I have yet to see a good argument against Mark Driscoll on this matter. Based upon the small amount of stuff by Mark Driscoll I have listened to so far; what is the big deal? I have no clue.

It is like those that hate don’t like (i.e. changed at the request of my critic) Mark Driscoll simply have to say that he does poor contextualization or simply he does contextualization, and that is sufficient evidence that Mark Driscoll has no right to be a teaching elder of any real Christian church. Per my discernment to say that Mark Driscoll does contextualization (or anything else) and not give evidence as to why that is wrong makes the person making the charge nothing but a gossip person trying to damage someone’s character.

This posting in response to the troll who keeps posting anti-Mark Driscoll comments on this blog [True Faith Defender] that I now refuse to post since his comments appear to be nothing but gossip advertizing his gossip blog. This blog doesn’t advertize Christian gossip blogs as it loves to expose Christian gossip blogs for their sin of gossiping.

Discerning is vital. Without is you get led astray. Without it you will allow your children to listen to Joel Osteen. Without it you could attend a church that preaches a false gospel and not no it. To speak much of slandering those who discern is silly……….

Absurd in fact. Have you forgotten what time these are? Perilous and difficult. It will get worse…………

If I had any children they would know from the correct spiritual discernment of Mark Driscoll that Joel Osteen is not worth listening too. Discernment that is not gossip is what I want and speaking against so-called discernment blogs that are nothing but a person’s opinions marketed as spiritual discernment equal to the Bible in authority is not slander. If you cannot deal with the truth; then listen to your spiritual discernment guide at _____ as he is a real opinionated bigot claiming to speak in the name of God.  [I will post later why I consider him an opinionated bigot.  It is a posting on my to do list.  That posting when posted is very likely to get a hate response from similar opinionated bigots but this blog doesn’t allow comments.  Since I have yet to make that posting public, the name of the blog has been removed.]

I like “The White Horse Inn” as they appear to give more fair and balanced views on issues in Christendom most of the time. In addition, I like listening to “Issues, Inc.” for the same reason. I am not against spiritual discernment when it is done per what the Bible teaches.

In Response to God’s Self-Appointed Judges of Mark Driscoll’s Sermon @ Crystal Cathedral November 6, 2009

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Mark Driscoll @ Crystal Cathedral

This is a modified posting that originally was posted on my blog “True Faith Defender”.  It has been removed from “True Faith Defender” blog and posted here.   This posting was in response to Blogging Popes who have attacked Mark Driscoll for either giving a sermon at the Crystal Cathedral at all or not giving the sermon that they believe he should have given.

I was present at Crystal Cathedral and I heard both of Mark Driscoll’s sermons.  He gave two different sermons.  One for the first service and another for the second service.   This is no secret as this fact was made known by both Mark Driscoll and the Crystal Cathedral.  As an eye witness to the event whereas the Blogging  Popes have only watched the first sermon given because that was the only sermon that “The Hour of Power” broadcasted of the two sermons to date.

Mark Driscoll’s deal was that he was not paid any money even travel expenses for giving two different sermons, both sermons were to be broadcasted on “The Hour of Power” unedited, and he would keep the two sermons within the time alloted so that the sermons would not have to be edited (shortened to fit the time slot).    Per his Tweeter feed before going to Southern California to give the sermons he was busy practicing the sermons to make sure he could keep the sermons within the alloted time so that the sermons would not be edited.

When I heard both sermons in my mind was the idea that the first sermon probably would be broadcasted but I wondered if the second sermon would get censored by not being broadcasted.  For reasons yet to be explained “The Hour of Power” was slow at broadcasting the first sermon that Mark Driscoll gave at the Crystal Cathedral and all is very silent as to when if ever the second sermon will be broadcasted on “The Hour of Power”.

Why did I think the second sermon may not be broadcasted?  It was not because the sermon had any heresy in it.  It was because the sermon was too negative for the very positive message typical of “The Hour of Power”.  The sermon had to do with the pain that Jesus suffered to pay for the sins of those that he redeemed.  The sermon went too much into the negativity of sin and the price that had to be paid by Jesus to make the redeemed right with God.   Sin is a very negative topic if preached the way that Mark Driscoll did that morning at the Crystal Cathedral.

To the great Blogging Popes who condemned Mark Driscoll’s first sermon at the Crystal Cathedral which really wasn’t that bad of a sermon as it was part 1 of a 2 part sermon set since it lead up to the second sermon.  What will they say if the second sermon get broadcasted because it has yet to be broadcasted many months after it was preached.   To me the second sermon was greater than the first sermon and I count my blessings that I was there to hear it since it has yet to be broadcasted.

Although I do question the wisdom of Mark Driscoll calling Robert Schiller a brother I have no desire to condemn him over it.  Perhaps I should condemn Martin Luther over not calling a person a Christian brother that he should have?

Although I do question the wisdom of going to the Crystal Cathedral to give two different sermons that were very Christ centered particularly the second one which has yet to be broadcasted on “The Hour of Power”.   The reason I questioned the wisdom of it is that I knew his decision to give a sermon there would create a lot of controversy.   I knew that the Blogging Popes would attack him on it and condemn him for not saying something that they believed he should have said.  After hearing both sermons there in person I am glad that he did it as I was blessed to hear both sermons particularly the second one.  The reason I went to see Mark Driscoll is that I have become very impressed with him, I wanted to see him in person, and I knew he was doing something controversal that the Blogging Popes would condemn him on so I wanted to witness this controversal event in person to be a key witness on what really happened that morning at the Crystal Cathedral.

To the Self-Righteous Anti-Mark Driscoll Blogging Popes  I have the following questions.  Who made you a god over Mark Driscoll!?!?!   Who made you judge over Mark Driscoll!?!?!   Who made Mark Driscoll accountable to you as to what he preaches and where he preaches?   By what authority in the Bible do you judge Mark Driscoll?!?!

State of the Pulpit – Joel Osteen October 23, 2009

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Why I Hate Religion – Mark Driscoll October 23, 2009

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How Sharp the Edge? Christ, Controversy, and Cutting Words, by Mark Driscoll (Desiring God 2008 National Conference) October 23, 2009

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